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		<title>By: ZoeWare</title>
		<link>http://www.thecommonwealthconversation.org/2009/11/peter-tatchell-talks-lgbt-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-2117</link>
		<dc:creator>ZoeWare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Tatchell wrote a piece for the Guardian Newspaper during the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Trinidad about Gay Rights - both the article, and the 151 comments underneath it, make a fascinating contribution to this important debate. You can read the article here:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/26/commonwealth-homophobes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Tatchell wrote a piece for the Guardian Newspaper during the Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting in Trinidad about Gay Rights &#8211; both the article, and the 151 comments underneath it, make a fascinating contribution to this important debate. You can read the article here:<br />
<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/26/commonwealth-homophobes" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/26/commonwealth-homophobes</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sylvanus</title>
		<link>http://www.thecommonwealthconversation.org/2009/11/peter-tatchell-talks-lgbt-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-1620</link>
		<dc:creator>Sylvanus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 18:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I do agree to what Prince and others have shared. Our society today seem to favour others and leave the minority. If I might not be wronge in saying this that selfishness is now governing the heart of those in power such that they turn to work on issues directly affecting them. If this country really belongs to all Ghanaian whether straight, gay or lesbien then all must have equal rights on all issues and stop the discrimination against certain sexual groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I do agree to what Prince and others have shared. Our society today seem to favour others and leave the minority. If I might not be wronge in saying this that selfishness is now governing the heart of those in power such that they turn to work on issues directly affecting them. If this country really belongs to all Ghanaian whether straight, gay or lesbien then all must have equal rights on all issues and stop the discrimination against certain sexual groups.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Kirker</title>
		<link>http://www.thecommonwealthconversation.org/2009/11/peter-tatchell-talks-lgbt-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-1583</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Kirker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apart from upholding without fear or favour the human rights of all - not excepting those who have sex with and love members of the same gender (if the words gay and lesbian are too problematic for the selectively over-sensitive)the Commonwealth should also have been engaged for many years in a large-scale education campaign to eradicate the scourge and life-denying creed of homophobia.

That is has done neither in 60 years undermines its credibility severely.

It cannot begin to be an effective advocate for justice and human rights, let alone be intellectually coherent, until it takes these two indivisible steps.

Letting fundamentalists, or their apologists, determine policy in the Commonwealth will destroy it - and the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from upholding without fear or favour the human rights of all &#8211; not excepting those who have sex with and love members of the same gender (if the words gay and lesbian are too problematic for the selectively over-sensitive)the Commonwealth should also have been engaged for many years in a large-scale education campaign to eradicate the scourge and life-denying creed of homophobia.</p>
<p>That is has done neither in 60 years undermines its credibility severely.</p>
<p>It cannot begin to be an effective advocate for justice and human rights, let alone be intellectually coherent, until it takes these two indivisible steps.</p>
<p>Letting fundamentalists, or their apologists, determine policy in the Commonwealth will destroy it &#8211; and the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Junior Burchall</title>
		<link>http://www.thecommonwealthconversation.org/2009/11/peter-tatchell-talks-lgbt-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-1077</link>
		<dc:creator>Junior Burchall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Systems of oppression (namely, white supremacy, capitalism, patriarchy, heterosexism) are always interconnected, in much the same way as prison bars are connected to provide an impenetrable barrier to freedom for those unfortunate enough to find themselves incarcerated. All of the above-named oppressive systems have three characteristics in common: generalization, dehumanization and destruction. a) Generalization ?Blacks are [fill in the damaging racial stereotype of your choosing].? ?I?m not surprised that a Black person committed that crime. After all, that?s just the way they are.? The idea here is that the targeted group is framed as being homogeneous and that no diversity can be found therein. b) Dehumanization This is very closely related to the above. ?These chicks ain?t nuthin! I find ?em, finger ?em, an? forget ?em!!? ?Women just aren?t suited for leadership. They?re too flighty and emotional. Besides, God made us first, not them. The Bible says this, so women need to submit and accept their place.? The idea here is that you effectively remove the oppressed group from the protected space granted to the privileged group (in this case, men). The intention of the preceding stances is to set the stage for the lethal action to be taken in the final stage. c) Destruction Having successfully lumped together and ritualistically debased the oppressed group, the privileged group now has all of its ideological weapons in place to explain away all manner of violence ?  both psychic and physical - against the group identified as inferior. We see an outstanding example of this in that way that the western imperialist powers have chosen to blame Africa for its suffering, while conveniently ignoring their active and continuing participation in the atrocities of colonialism, resource rape, the promulgation of psychologically debilitating cultural propaganda and enforced cultural amnesia. Upon this blood-spattered earth, one can erect the racist histiography (as a result of the utilization of steps (a) and (b)) that makes the movement toward violence against the oppressed group in question inevitable. It is also unsurprising that when the oppressed rally together to champion their right to exist, those whose sense of themselves is predicated upon the dehumanization of said oppressed group are passionate and vociferous in their condemnations. This happened (and still happens) to women, poor people, peoples of colour and now gays and lesbians. We are walking on dangerous ground when we begin to employ the ideological framework that made possible ? and continues to make possible, I might add ? the devastation of our Black present and the erasure of our Black tomorrows. To put it bluntly, the minute we start to sound like racist white folks (using appeals to religion and natural order to justify our bigoted perspective), we are in effect sowing the seeds for the collapse of any united move to crush white supremacy. Generalization, dehumanization and destruction ? these are the tools of the oppressors. Leave their weapons in their hands if you are truly serious about constructing a revolutionary and liberatory movement amongst Africans in the united states and beyond. At this point, it would be prudent to reflect upon the words of Audre Lorde, the late master essayist, poet and relentlessly progressive human being: ?Master?s tools will never dismantle master?s house.? May we all take heed.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Systems of oppression (namely, white supremacy, capitalism, patriarchy, heterosexism) are always interconnected, in much the same way as prison bars are connected to provide an impenetrable barrier to freedom for those unfortunate enough to find themselves incarcerated. All of the above-named oppressive systems have three characteristics in common: generalization, dehumanization and destruction. a) Generalization ?Blacks are [fill in the damaging racial stereotype of your choosing].? ?I?m not surprised that a Black person committed that crime. After all, that?s just the way they are.? The idea here is that the targeted group is framed as being homogeneous and that no diversity can be found therein. b) Dehumanization This is very closely related to the above. ?These chicks ain?t nuthin! I find ?em, finger ?em, an? forget ?em!!? ?Women just aren?t suited for leadership. They?re too flighty and emotional. Besides, God made us first, not them. The Bible says this, so women need to submit and accept their place.? The idea here is that you effectively remove the oppressed group from the protected space granted to the privileged group (in this case, men). The intention of the preceding stances is to set the stage for the lethal action to be taken in the final stage. c) Destruction Having successfully lumped together and ritualistically debased the oppressed group, the privileged group now has all of its ideological weapons in place to explain away all manner of violence ?  both psychic and physical &#8211; against the group identified as inferior. We see an outstanding example of this in that way that the western imperialist powers have chosen to blame Africa for its suffering, while conveniently ignoring their active and continuing participation in the atrocities of colonialism, resource rape, the promulgation of psychologically debilitating cultural propaganda and enforced cultural amnesia. Upon this blood-spattered earth, one can erect the racist histiography (as a result of the utilization of steps (a) and (b)) that makes the movement toward violence against the oppressed group in question inevitable. It is also unsurprising that when the oppressed rally together to champion their right to exist, those whose sense of themselves is predicated upon the dehumanization of said oppressed group are passionate and vociferous in their condemnations. This happened (and still happens) to women, poor people, peoples of colour and now gays and lesbians. We are walking on dangerous ground when we begin to employ the ideological framework that made possible ? and continues to make possible, I might add ? the devastation of our Black present and the erasure of our Black tomorrows. To put it bluntly, the minute we start to sound like racist white folks (using appeals to religion and natural order to justify our bigoted perspective), we are in effect sowing the seeds for the collapse of any united move to crush white supremacy. Generalization, dehumanization and destruction ? these are the tools of the oppressors. Leave their weapons in their hands if you are truly serious about constructing a revolutionary and liberatory movement amongst Africans in the united states and beyond. At this point, it would be prudent to reflect upon the words of Audre Lorde, the late master essayist, poet and relentlessly progressive human being: ?Master?s tools will never dismantle master?s house.? May we all take heed&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: kizza</title>
		<link>http://www.thecommonwealthconversation.org/2009/11/peter-tatchell-talks-lgbt-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-744</link>
		<dc:creator>kizza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Uganda criminalization of homosexuality is a residue law rooted in the colonial era punishable by a maximum sentence of life imprisonment  . Uganda signed up to The Universal Declaration of Human Rights but still violates the human rights of the LGBT community. Human rights are inclusive of all citizens and therefore should include the LGBT community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Uganda criminalization of homosexuality is a residue law rooted in the colonial era punishable by a maximum sentence of life imprisonment  . Uganda signed up to The Universal Declaration of Human Rights but still violates the human rights of the LGBT community. Human rights are inclusive of all citizens and therefore should include the LGBT community.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd Anthony Stewart</title>
		<link>http://www.thecommonwealthconversation.org/2009/11/peter-tatchell-talks-lgbt-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-734</link>
		<dc:creator>Lloyd Anthony Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 07:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As we seek to evolve the constitutional structure towards the idea of a more perfect nation, we grapple with the need to strive to find balance between morality and the place of state in legislating that domain within the framework of a separation of church and state stance, and the human issues that leave us faced with quagmires such as abortion rights, same sex unions and the capital punishment.
In my humble estimation crimes must have a victim, some loss must be incurred, be it a loss of right or property, in the case of abortion one has to establish the definition of ?person? so as to clearly establish if an unborn ?child? is a ?person? hence  deserving of  rights, and in the issue of the capital punishment, the perceived threat to society which in my humble view must be demonstrative of systemic and repetitive behavior, or a direct lethal and grievous act against the law and its stewards, as for the issue of same sex union I am not sure that a state can argue any threat as in the above, the matter is clearly religious by my estimation and a matter of and for private discretion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we seek to evolve the constitutional structure towards the idea of a more perfect nation, we grapple with the need to strive to find balance between morality and the place of state in legislating that domain within the framework of a separation of church and state stance, and the human issues that leave us faced with quagmires such as abortion rights, same sex unions and the capital punishment.<br />
In my humble estimation crimes must have a victim, some loss must be incurred, be it a loss of right or property, in the case of abortion one has to establish the definition of ?person? so as to clearly establish if an unborn ?child? is a ?person? hence  deserving of  rights, and in the issue of the capital punishment, the perceived threat to society which in my humble view must be demonstrative of systemic and repetitive behavior, or a direct lethal and grievous act against the law and its stewards, as for the issue of same sex union I am not sure that a state can argue any threat as in the above, the matter is clearly religious by my estimation and a matter of and for private discretion.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Invictus_88. Thanks for your comments which got me thinking.

 I agree with you on many of your points but was attempting to reply directly to the politics of CRJ. In doing I wrote in shorthand and possibly over-generalised.
 Of course it&#039;s impossible to talk about Africa in a general way as it is such a varied continent. I&#039;m only writing from my own experience of living in a West African predominately Christian country.

 I agree with you about the internalisation of prejudice in many African countries. But it is very hard to change this without education. That is why I believe the key is first to change the law. Once the laws are changed, education becomes easier. 

 These laws often came from the colonialists and where I live they were from the British. The laws were foreign imports. The language of these laws is imbibed with their version of Christian morality (I accept that are different interpretations of Christianity which are inclusive but that is not what we are dealing with).

 If you have seen articles on the web and in African newspapers, intolerance always comes couched in religious terms, both Christian and Islamic. It doesn&#039;t have to be of course, but all we have, where I live, is fundamentalism.

 My intention was not to ignore cultural differences between countries in Africa but to warn about the dangers of the debate being framed from, what I believe, is a Western perspective (here I have some sympathy with CRJ). I believe that &#039;gay&#039; is a social construct originating from North American identity politics and has done great damage to Europeans. I do not wish that mistake to be repeated in Africa, especially as the social construction of same-sex behaviour in Africa is not in the slightest related to the European/North American experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Invictus_88. Thanks for your comments which got me thinking.</p>
<p> I agree with you on many of your points but was attempting to reply directly to the politics of CRJ. In doing I wrote in shorthand and possibly over-generalised.<br />
 Of course it&#8217;s impossible to talk about Africa in a general way as it is such a varied continent. I&#8217;m only writing from my own experience of living in a West African predominately Christian country.</p>
<p> I agree with you about the internalisation of prejudice in many African countries. But it is very hard to change this without education. That is why I believe the key is first to change the law. Once the laws are changed, education becomes easier. </p>
<p> These laws often came from the colonialists and where I live they were from the British. The laws were foreign imports. The language of these laws is imbibed with their version of Christian morality (I accept that are different interpretations of Christianity which are inclusive but that is not what we are dealing with).</p>
<p> If you have seen articles on the web and in African newspapers, intolerance always comes couched in religious terms, both Christian and Islamic. It doesn&#8217;t have to be of course, but all we have, where I live, is fundamentalism.</p>
<p> My intention was not to ignore cultural differences between countries in Africa but to warn about the dangers of the debate being framed from, what I believe, is a Western perspective (here I have some sympathy with CRJ). I believe that &#8216;gay&#8217; is a social construct originating from North American identity politics and has done great damage to Europeans. I do not wish that mistake to be repeated in Africa, especially as the social construction of same-sex behaviour in Africa is not in the slightest related to the European/North American experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Invictus_88</title>
		<link>http://www.thecommonwealthconversation.org/2009/11/peter-tatchell-talks-lgbt-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>Invictus_88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,
From your suggestion that these laws grew out of the British colonial system you seem to come dangerously close to suggesting that anti-homosexuality legislation arose from British influence rather than out of the broader western social mores.
It would be difficult to uphold this, given the very severe penalties for homosexuality enforced in Mauritania and Guinea, neither of which were British colonies.


Graham,
I think you seriously underestimate the degree to which intolerance of homosexuality has been culturally internalised by African populations.
To lay responsibility so squarely at the door of &quot;Christian morality&quot; seems to ignore the homophobic legislation active in countries where the legal tradition is Muslim rather than Christian, and to frame the debate as a dichotomy between &quot;African&quot; and &quot;Western&quot; values seems to completely ignore the important variety, contrast, and contradiction between African cultures, as well as the very different origins from which those diverse cultures arise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,<br />
From your suggestion that these laws grew out of the British colonial system you seem to come dangerously close to suggesting that anti-homosexuality legislation arose from British influence rather than out of the broader western social mores.<br />
It would be difficult to uphold this, given the very severe penalties for homosexuality enforced in Mauritania and Guinea, neither of which were British colonies.</p>
<p>Graham,<br />
I think you seriously underestimate the degree to which intolerance of homosexuality has been culturally internalised by African populations.<br />
To lay responsibility so squarely at the door of &#8220;Christian morality&#8221; seems to ignore the homophobic legislation active in countries where the legal tradition is Muslim rather than Christian, and to frame the debate as a dichotomy between &#8220;African&#8221; and &#8220;Western&#8221; values seems to completely ignore the important variety, contrast, and contradiction between African cultures, as well as the very different origins from which those diverse cultures arise.</p>
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		<title>By: Graham</title>
		<link>http://www.thecommonwealthconversation.org/2009/11/peter-tatchell-talks-lgbt-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-663</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CRJ - colonialists imposed the anti-sodomy laws on Africa when they brought their brand of Christian morality.

Africans have had same-sex relations long before this discussion started and without having to give it a name or an identity. In some African cultures, people who were perceived as being different (feminine men for example), where given special roles within the culture. It is not unusual for traditional priests to have sex with both genders.

It is unfortunate, but the North American model of identity politics is pervasive and persuasive in the way it frames the issues. In a sense, this model?s presentation of the subject leads to its conclusion.

Based on this, my proposals would be:

1. remove the colonial laws

2. undo the damage created by fundamentalist Christianity (now being imported from North America alongside their missionaries)

3. not try impose &#039;gay&#039; identity politics (your notion of sexual liberation) in an African context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CRJ &#8211; colonialists imposed the anti-sodomy laws on Africa when they brought their brand of Christian morality.</p>
<p>Africans have had same-sex relations long before this discussion started and without having to give it a name or an identity. In some African cultures, people who were perceived as being different (feminine men for example), where given special roles within the culture. It is not unusual for traditional priests to have sex with both genders.</p>
<p>It is unfortunate, but the North American model of identity politics is pervasive and persuasive in the way it frames the issues. In a sense, this model?s presentation of the subject leads to its conclusion.</p>
<p>Based on this, my proposals would be:</p>
<p>1. remove the colonial laws</p>
<p>2. undo the damage created by fundamentalist Christianity (now being imported from North America alongside their missionaries)</p>
<p>3. not try impose &#8216;gay&#8217; identity politics (your notion of sexual liberation) in an African context.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.thecommonwealthconversation.org/2009/11/peter-tatchell-talks-lgbt-rights/comment-page-1/#comment-656</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 17:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is indeffensible to argue two consenting, loving adults should be jailed for how they love one another. Or that Society should dictate to people their gender identity. To think otherwise is no different from hatred against women, hatred against any race, or hatred against a faith.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is indeffensible to argue two consenting, loving adults should be jailed for how they love one another. Or that Society should dictate to people their gender identity. To think otherwise is no different from hatred against women, hatred against any race, or hatred against a faith.</p>
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